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	<title>Comments on: Celebrating Russia, or &#8216;aspects&#8217; of the 12th of June</title>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
		<link>http://www.transparent.com/russian/celebrating-russia-or-aspects-of-the-12th-of-june/#comment-4656</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 17:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@nikolai:

Thanks for clearing that one up, Nikolai. Now it's all clear to me.

Вы звезда!</description>
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<p>Thanks for clearing that one up, Nikolai. Now it&#8217;s all clear to me.</p>
<p>Вы звезда!</p>
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		<title>By: nikolai</title>
		<link>http://www.transparent.com/russian/celebrating-russia-or-aspects-of-the-12th-of-june/#comment-4641</link>
		<dc:creator>nikolai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 02:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ed:

the rule of negative direct objects governing the genitive (instead of the accusative) is a tad bit more complex than just that (not too much, though!).

the general rule is: in the negative, inanimate direct objects also govern (i.e. are placed in) the genitive case (remember that animates take genitive endings here anyways).

however, if the negation relates to the verb more than the noun (i.e. «i didn't DO that» instead of «i didn't do THAT») then this rule is often ignored (particularly in colloquial speech).

there are certain places where that genitive or accusative (one or the other) is REQUIRED:

if the object (noun) is STRONGLY negated then the genitive is required.

if the object is an abstract noun (e.g. любовь, слава, честь - love, glory, honor), something indefinite (i.e. not a specific instance of that noun) or the pronoun это, then the genitive is needed.

if the object is definite (i.e. if it would have a word like 'the' or 'that' before it in english) then the accusative is used.


a direct response to your observation:

note that while это (as a PRONOUN) takes the genitive, этот (an ADJECTIVE) is used to denote a specific (definite) noun, and so takes the accusative.


sorry for all of the CAPS, hope i helped you understand =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ed:</p>
<p>the rule of negative direct objects governing the genitive (instead of the accusative) is a tad bit more complex than just that (not too much, though!).</p>
<p>the general rule is: in the negative, inanimate direct objects also govern (i.e. are placed in) the genitive case (remember that animates take genitive endings here anyways).</p>
<p>however, if the negation relates to the verb more than the noun (i.e. «i didn&#8217;t DO that» instead of «i didn&#8217;t do THAT») then this rule is often ignored (particularly in colloquial speech).</p>
<p>there are certain places where that genitive or accusative (one or the other) is REQUIRED:</p>
<p>if the object (noun) is STRONGLY negated then the genitive is required.</p>
<p>if the object is an abstract noun (e.g. любовь, слава, честь - love, glory, honor), something indefinite (i.e. not a specific instance of that noun) or the pronoun это, then the genitive is needed.</p>
<p>if the object is definite (i.e. if it would have a word like &#8216;the&#8217; or &#8216;that&#8217; before it in english) then the accusative is used.</p>
<p>a direct response to your observation:</p>
<p>note that while это (as a PRONOUN) takes the genitive, этот (an ADJECTIVE) is used to denote a specific (definite) noun, and so takes the accusative.</p>
<p>sorry for all of the CAPS, hope i helped you understand =)</p>
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		<title>By: Gerry Grable(wski)</title>
		<link>http://www.transparent.com/russian/celebrating-russia-or-aspects-of-the-12th-of-june/#comment-4507</link>
		<dc:creator>Gerry Grable(wski)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great to see the pictures are back.
I'm looking forward to the too short summer.
Gerry</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great to see the pictures are back.<br />
I&#8217;m looking forward to the too short summer.<br />
Gerry</p>
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		<title>By: trudy ringer</title>
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		<dc:creator>trudy ringer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 13:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Natasha. Appreciate you answering an otherwise obvious question.!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Natasha. Appreciate you answering an otherwise obvious question.!</p>
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		<title>By: natasha</title>
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		<dc:creator>natasha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 13:21:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Trudy! Just subscribe with your new e-mail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Trudy! Just subscribe with your new e-mail.</p>
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		<title>By: Colin</title>
		<link>http://www.transparent.com/russian/celebrating-russia-or-aspects-of-the-12th-of-june/#comment-4427</link>
		<dc:creator>Colin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 21:53:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your blog is always interesting to read and work through. Wish you had more time to write more frequently!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your blog is always interesting to read and work through. Wish you had more time to write more frequently!</p>
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		<title>By: trudy ringer</title>
		<link>http://www.transparent.com/russian/celebrating-russia-or-aspects-of-the-12th-of-june/#comment-4425</link>
		<dc:creator>trudy ringer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 17:53:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've changed my email address to tringer@me.com.  How  can I continue to get Russian Blog on e-mails.? I miss it greatly.
Help please!
Trudy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve changed my email address to <a href="mailto:tringer@me.com">tringer@me.com</a>.  How  can I continue to get Russian Blog on e-mails.? I miss it greatly.<br />
Help please!<br />
Trudy</p>
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		<title>By: Charly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 13:58:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a beautiful picture! :-)

And thanks for this bit about the aspects. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a beautiful picture! <img src='http://www.transparent.com/russian/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>And thanks for this bit about the aspects. <img src='http://www.transparent.com/russian/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 20:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>May I first say how I really enjoy reading these blog entries - прекрасно! Я учусь русскому языку два года.

I'm a little confused on this one, though not the main topic of the entry. You say near the beginning that the object is in the genitive case because of the &#60;&#62; before the verb, but then later in the entry you write «я не сдам этот экзамен» and &#60;&#62;. Is genitive only demanded in past tense?

Если у вас будет достаточно времени, то пожалуйста мне помогите?

С уважением
Эд</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>May I first say how I really enjoy reading these blog entries - прекрасно! Я учусь русскому языку два года.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a little confused on this one, though not the main topic of the entry. You say near the beginning that the object is in the genitive case because of the &lt;&gt; before the verb, but then later in the entry you write «я не сдам этот экзамен» and &lt;&gt;. Is genitive only demanded in past tense?</p>
<p>Если у вас будет достаточно времени, то пожалуйста мне помогите?</p>
<p>С уважением<br />
Эд</p>
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